Some US pensions maybe chopped by half....

I copied this from a CNN news feed, and although it is a US based article, don't be thinking we retiree's in Canada are removed from this. It will take no time at all for the same ploy to be initiated here. Maybe I should call it a ploy..maybe it is really a truth, that those private pension plans are in danger. I note that the time from to insolvency is 10-15 years. So...they want to to strip pensions by up to 50% now. I cannot imagine what is going through peoples minds in the US. I mean...they are going from hopefully a decent sized pension to not enough, thus forcing them to work on Wal-Marts/McDonalds and other low paying jobs. Likely having to sell their homes and move into a small apartment. So...what would you do? You are 55+, retired...and all of sudden, you get half of what you had been getting.







 Retired truck driver Glenn Nicodemus, 63, (pictured with his wife Barbara) could see his monthly pension benefits fall from around $3,300 a month to as little as $1,180.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney)

Hundreds of thousands of retired union workers are facing pension cuts that could slash their monthly payments in half — or even more.

The proposed cuts are part of a desperate effort to head off insolvency at multiemployer pension plans, pensions that typically provide benefits for workers at several companies.

It's an unconventional move: Pension law has long maintained that cutting the benefits of those already retired is off-limits. Current law allows troubled multiemployer plans to reduce the benefits that employees earn going forward, cut early retirement and disability benefits and hike employer contributions instead.
But things have gotten so dire that a coalition of employers and labor unions is asking Congress to change the law.
Multiemployer pension plans cover more than 10 million workers and retirees in the trucking, construction, retail, mining, manufacturing and other industries. Historically, the plans were considered more secure since multiple employers pay into the plans instead of relying on the fortunes of just one company.
But in the past decade, many plans have struggled with supporting an aging workforce, and large employers have been pulling out of the plans. In addition, many are still dealing with significant losses incurred during the recession.
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The proposal would allow cuts for those plans that are closest to insolvency. According to the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, which insures pension plans, up to 10% of the roughly 1,500 multiemployer plans will run out of money in coming decades.
If cuts are allowed, retired truck driver Glenn Nicodemus, 63, could see his monthly benefits fall from around $3,300 a month to as little as $1,180. He retired in March after nearly 40 years on the road, and his only other source of income is $1,700 a month in Social Security benefits.
"I probably could get a job driving again. I really don't want to," he said. "These are the years I was looking forward to being together (with my family) and enjoying what time I do have left. It takes a lot of that away."
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Nicodemus receives his checks from one of the country's largest multiemployer plans, the Central States Southeast and Southwest Area Pension Fund, which is also one of the most troubled. The fund is projected to become insolvent in the next 10 to 15 years. If cuts are allowed, the fund's more than 200,000 retirees could see their checks slashed by as much as 60%.
"Without timely intervention, workers in the most deeply troubled plans are at risk of seeing the benefits they have earned drastically reduced," Thomas Nyhan, executive director of the Central States pension fund said at a recent Congressional subcommittee hearing.

 

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The PBGC guarantees a significantly lower benefit level for participants in multiemployer plans than it offers for single employer plans, since employers in multiemployer plans pay much lower premiums. So retirees could ultimately see drastic benefit reductions either way.
If a multiemployer plan goes insolvent, a retiree is guaranteed $12,870 a year at most, which is slightly less than the minimum benefit allowed under the proposed cuts. In contrast, a retiree in a single-employer plan is insured for up to $59,320 a year.
Groups like the AARP, the Pension Rights Center and an increasing number of unions oppose the proposed cuts. They say that retirees are counting on their pension benefits, which they were promised through decades of union contracts.
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They argue that other solutions should be considered, such as allowing troubled plans to merge with healthier plans and raising the insurance premiums employers pay the PBGC.
"This is unprecedented," said Karen Ferguson, director of the Pension Rights Center, a nonprofit advocacy group. "These retirees in most cases are barely scraping by with their pension and Social Security benefits. It would be devastating to them."
Official legislation is likely to be introduced in Congress in coming months. In the meantime, hundreds of thousands of retirees are left unsure whether their pension benefits are safe.
"I'm very, very concerned," said 69-year-old Jim Carothers, a Central States' retiree. "I've lost a lot of sleep over it."

First Published: November 15, 2013: 7:06 AM ET



If you are already in trouble, here is a list of food banks in the US.

feedingamerica.org/foodbank



I had posted this on RV.Net  www.rv.net  as a heads-up for those who might be affected...and I wish I could reach out and smack some folks with a shit-stick...


"Anyone depending on the stock market to provide a retirement is living a loosing dream. Ain't gonna happen. "


"This is 'General RVing Issues'? "

" The main culprit here is ready credit.
I have no sympathy for people who spend all their pay check - no saving up.
Spend all future earnings - easy credit.
Squander their equity - mortgage the house to buy an RV.
15 yrs before retiring we cut up the credit cards, concentrated on paying off all our depts, mortgage, truck, trailer etc.
After 10 yrs of retirement we are not rich but we are dept free."


I posted this on the same website responding to a subject of homeless people living in big box store lots and church parking areas.



I was always of the opinion that people cared about people. I have seen enough to know that that premise still holds true. However, the selfishness of people in groups..like in RV.Net is fearful. I posted a heads-up, about the threat to some private US pensions, and reading the chest thumping, bragging bs that is now posted for one's reading pleasure, you have to see that until there is a general stepping back from greed and "I'm alright Jack"...this is going to get much much worse. I can now see where the gun question now gets answered. It is only a matter of time before someone who's back is against the wall, will hear one more person tell them that it's their own fault for not saving enough, not having enough, planning enough, getting enough education, shouldn't have done this or that...and out will come the weapons. Someone with kids to feed or a medical problem is going to start that ball rolling and then....

(the question was asked...what could we do?)
Sadly, it's so easy as to be shameful, isn't it. Every city/town has a fairgrounds or large city owned type area. Open the place up to those that are homeless. Oh my gosh..yes, it will cost a bit and yeah, there will be issues to deal with, but pretending this is going to go away is foolhardy.

And from a logistics point of view? if those in need are all in one place, they can be serviced.


And I too, have been homeless. Can't say I never will be again, either. My heart aches for people like that. Nowhere to go. Not welcome to be anywhere. And no..Wal-Mart or Lowes is not responsible for these folks.

 We are.


Gary Haupt