The truck has always had a nasty habit of developing a 'porpoising' action in certain circumstances. You know when going down the highway and you cross an overpass or bridge that has the expansion joints running across? When that type of road condition occurs, the rv would have a very hard bounce in the front cap...sometimes things would even bounce out of the storage space up there..like my computer last week....(all is ok. was in a padded carry bag). I had stopped by Canada Spring to ask about it and the owner, Bruce Church had just dealt with a similar issue with a fire truck. One of those big flat nosed jobbies...with the fire truck, they had consulted engineers and all the other bright ones and no-one could get that effect out. Bruce decided to try adding several leafs to the front end and a different shock. He says...worked. So..I had him adjust mine too...one added leaf and he had to install a bigger shock as well.
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Seriously though, porpoising is something we get quite a few calls on, and it is one of those terms that you hear about mostly with regard to RV’s. Porpoising is front to rear bounce; the front hits a bump, then the rear hits the bump, and they both bounce independently of each other, creating an oscillating motion. If the problem is severe enough, it can feel like you’re going to pull the wheels off the ground.
The problem is more typical in shorter coaches (low 20-foot to low 30 foot) than long ones. You don’t have as much trouble when you head up to 37 foot and beyond, and we definitely have more problems controlling it on a short wheelbase coach. The reason is that there is more time for the bump to settle out between the front and rear wheels on a longer wheelbase coach.
Anything from the springs on down is called “unsprung weight.” The heavier your axles and tires are, the more difficult it is to make them change direction. Because of the high amounts of unsprung weight on a motorhome, it’s been a real challenge for us. Between the wheel, tire and brake, you’ve got 300 lbs. there, and when it’s spinning, it’s like a gyroscope; it doesn’t want to change direction.
Changing out your shocks and sometimes your springs will usually diminish the problem significantly. On some of the IFS coaches, our Motion Control Unit (MCU) can help cut down on porpoising as well. Sometimes controlling airflow into and out of the bags can help in some applications, but not always. For example, MCU’s on some Freightliners; we’ve managed to get the side to side movement out of it, but then it started porpoising. I had a guy with a Spartan IFS chassis that he cut down some porpoising by putting on the MCU’s on the front.
On non-airbag coaches, good shocks will typically do the trick provided you’ve still got some decent springs. In situations such as these, we use the Koni FSD, and for the ultimate, the RoadKing 2-5/16 bore shock. FSD’s are good for rebound control, and the frequency selective damping takes some of the harshness out of the ride. The FSD valve is a secondary valve that they put in the piston head that dissipates the initial shock load. Most shocks are a linear rate; the harder you work them, the stiffer they get. That’s an age-old dilemma; you can make anything handle well, but it can end up riding like a lumber wagon.
We were fortunate to be involved on the protoype testing on the RoadKing. When we first experienced these shocks on a P30 chassis, it felt like we pulled 20 psi out of the tires and improved handling at the same time compared to a competitive shock. We’ve been working with King shocks for over three years. What we discovered with them is, the bigger the piston the more range of control, and the smoother the transition could be from small amounts of control to great control.
The RoadKing is a mono tube, high-pressure design which is the standard in high performance vehicles. It has the largest bore size on the market, so it has up to three times the volume of standard sized shocks. Standard pistons have 1.5 square inches of surface area; the RoadKing has 4.2 square inches-that’s 280% more surface area. The increased volume allows engineers to lower the required gas pressure in the cylinder, which gives you a smoother ride; the bigger piston also has more surface area to absorb the bumps. You also don’t have to run such tightly stacked disks in the piston head to control movement (check out roadking.com for more info).
RoadKing shocks aren’t cheap, but they last longer than anything else and they’re also rebuildable. The Koni FSD’s are a 100 thousand mile shock; The RoadKings are run 350,000 or more in the trucking industry before requiring a rebuild.
Had lunch with Lynn and Ralph yesterday...yummy spot on raser at 44th called Dockers.
Tel: (604) 327-6713
Fax: (604) 327-6714
When Paco heard I was coming out for supper, he felt he needed to contribute something.....
Of course, we wanted to make sure Sharon knew she was being missed....this might not appear to be as supportive as I'd planned.
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Porpoising: What it is, and how to stop it
March 23, 2009 by Robert Henderson ·
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A guy called me up the other day and told me his
Dolphin motorhome was porpoising. I told him it sounded like it was
having an identity crisis! (insert rim shot here).RV.Net Blog Admin
Seriously though, porpoising is something we get quite a few calls on, and it is one of those terms that you hear about mostly with regard to RV’s. Porpoising is front to rear bounce; the front hits a bump, then the rear hits the bump, and they both bounce independently of each other, creating an oscillating motion. If the problem is severe enough, it can feel like you’re going to pull the wheels off the ground.
The problem is more typical in shorter coaches (low 20-foot to low 30 foot) than long ones. You don’t have as much trouble when you head up to 37 foot and beyond, and we definitely have more problems controlling it on a short wheelbase coach. The reason is that there is more time for the bump to settle out between the front and rear wheels on a longer wheelbase coach.
Anything from the springs on down is called “unsprung weight.” The heavier your axles and tires are, the more difficult it is to make them change direction. Because of the high amounts of unsprung weight on a motorhome, it’s been a real challenge for us. Between the wheel, tire and brake, you’ve got 300 lbs. there, and when it’s spinning, it’s like a gyroscope; it doesn’t want to change direction.
Changing out your shocks and sometimes your springs will usually diminish the problem significantly. On some of the IFS coaches, our Motion Control Unit (MCU) can help cut down on porpoising as well. Sometimes controlling airflow into and out of the bags can help in some applications, but not always. For example, MCU’s on some Freightliners; we’ve managed to get the side to side movement out of it, but then it started porpoising. I had a guy with a Spartan IFS chassis that he cut down some porpoising by putting on the MCU’s on the front.
On non-airbag coaches, good shocks will typically do the trick provided you’ve still got some decent springs. In situations such as these, we use the Koni FSD, and for the ultimate, the RoadKing 2-5/16 bore shock. FSD’s are good for rebound control, and the frequency selective damping takes some of the harshness out of the ride. The FSD valve is a secondary valve that they put in the piston head that dissipates the initial shock load. Most shocks are a linear rate; the harder you work them, the stiffer they get. That’s an age-old dilemma; you can make anything handle well, but it can end up riding like a lumber wagon.
We were fortunate to be involved on the protoype testing on the RoadKing. When we first experienced these shocks on a P30 chassis, it felt like we pulled 20 psi out of the tires and improved handling at the same time compared to a competitive shock. We’ve been working with King shocks for over three years. What we discovered with them is, the bigger the piston the more range of control, and the smoother the transition could be from small amounts of control to great control.
The RoadKing is a mono tube, high-pressure design which is the standard in high performance vehicles. It has the largest bore size on the market, so it has up to three times the volume of standard sized shocks. Standard pistons have 1.5 square inches of surface area; the RoadKing has 4.2 square inches-that’s 280% more surface area. The increased volume allows engineers to lower the required gas pressure in the cylinder, which gives you a smoother ride; the bigger piston also has more surface area to absorb the bumps. You also don’t have to run such tightly stacked disks in the piston head to control movement (check out roadking.com for more info).
RoadKing shocks aren’t cheap, but they last longer than anything else and they’re also rebuildable. The Koni FSD’s are a 100 thousand mile shock; The RoadKings are run 350,000 or more in the trucking industry before requiring a rebuild.
Had lunch with Lynn and Ralph yesterday...yummy spot on raser at 44th called Dockers.
Dockers
Fax: (604) 327-6714
Neighbourhood: Knight
- Cuisine: Diner, Sandwiches
- Price: $ ($15 or less)
- Meals: Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner, All day breakfast
- Hours: Mon - Fri: 7AM - 8PM, Sat: 8AM - 5PM, Sun: 8AM - 4PM
- Dockers Family Restaurant is a greasy spoon that has been serving hungry people since 1971. Breakfast served all day.
I was to Stave Lake to have drinks and supper with Suzanne's step-daughter Susan Murphy.
When Paco heard I was coming out for supper, he felt he needed to contribute something.....
Of course, we wanted to make sure Sharon knew she was being missed....this might not appear to be as supportive as I'd planned.
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